Dominic Remember your shakespeare...... beware fat men telling lies...... lol But Mikey did give good advice. Seperate them and feed heavy...... then reunite in a couple of days... but dont feed for a day or so after reuniting.... make them concentrate on spawning..... this works well for me..... along with my blue goop and my taped recordings of Sals singing !!!! Snowed in Johnny ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto