Ok Thanks to all who responded to what I thought was just a sidebar! Yes, it would appear that my fish is the same as in the pic kindly sent to me by Mike Wise - that is A. cf. pulchra (Abacaxis)/sp.Wilhelmi. The original parents were a wild caught trio. I spawned them over and over in a 20 gallon high, with sand bottom. The tank was sponge filtered, packed with jave moss and fern. I never looked at the pH, but my water changes were about 90 percent RO. The fish fed on brine shrimp, mysis, bloodworms and tetra sinking bits. They shared the tank with a group of beckfordi pencil fish. I currently have approximately 30 fry of varying sizes, a few of whom are definitely sexable. I guess my first move is to start breeding them again (and remove the A. pucallpaensis pair from their tank). Then I will definitely be looking for homes for the rest. However, I haven't shipped fish before, so I'm a little unsure as to how to proceed. To be honest, I found the A. Hoignei and the A. galaxy? that I've just been breeding tougher. And you all know about my issues with borellii! Thank you to everyone for your help. Dominic Stones Richmond Hill Ontario Canada ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto