Ray, A. sp. Rio Preto do Candeias is a species that belongs to the steindachneri-group found in the Rio Preto do Candeias (just south of Porto Velho, Brazil). A. sp. Erdfresser/Earth-eater/Lyretail Purus/Rondonia is a species belonging to the pertensis-group. It is the same species that is erroneously listed as "A. pulchra" in Römer's Atlas. It comes from the Rio Purus & across the Amazon, in the Rio/Lago Manacapuru. A. sp. Emerald/Alenquer is the same as A. cf. geisleri (Smaragd/Emerald) collected around the city of Alenquer, Brazil. A. sp. Rio Madiera isn't a name that I'm familiar with. It could be any apisto coming from the Rio Madeira. There is a form of A. agassizii that it might be (A. cf. agassizii Madeira), but it could be any of a number of different species. "A. franki" is another commercial name that I've never heard of either. I don't like names like this because they make it appear that the fish has a valid scientific name. Right now there are over 300 apisto names that I know about. If you can provide decent photos or detailed descriptions of the last 2 named fish, I might be able to ID them. Mike Wise Ray wrote: > hi all-over the years i have aquired some > apistos under wonderful names are these all > location or collectors or have they been id- > your help is req MR > WISE----------------------------------APISTO-PETRO-DE-CANDERIAS-------------------------------------APISTO-ERDFESSER > LYRETAIL--------------------------------------APISTO-FRANKI--------------------------------------------------------------APISTO-RIO-MADIERA----------------------------------------------------APISTO-EMERALD-ALENQER--------------------------------------------thanking > you all in anticpation--scouse RAY ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto