Hello Mike I have a question about those Sp Rio Preto. If they're from the steindachneri group, do they get really large like a steindachneri will?? I saw some this past weekend at the NEC, F1 fish, nice healthy looking fish, but virtually no color at all. Is this normal for Rio Preto? Males had nice finnage but almost a complete dull grey color.... didnt notice any kind of spangling or markings anywhere that were really noticable. Just curious, as having never seen the fish before and knowing nothing about them, i didnt buy any... maybe i should have! Ok, sorry for rambling on here John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto