The other instances are far in the past and had no connection to the female that got this last week. I haven't been able to find any connecting factor in these cases. It just seems to happen spontaneously and very quickly. Zack ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto