My latest experience with my yellow face borelli more correlates with Frank's suggestion. I have lost two females in the last two weeks to what at first looked like lock-jaw. Turns out the males were ready for more action, but the females were still tending fry/juveniles. With closer inspection I could see where the lower jaw was seperated from the face. Guess I will have to start growing out the fry in their tanks. Tim ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto