...NO, no you guys....I didn't say that we had seen this before to STOP the discussion........I was asking to see if I remembered the discussion of lock- jaw from before. It seemed that it was decided that there was an actual malady.....I hope no one though I was stifeling (sp?) the discussion!!! I was thinking out loud..........didn't someone talk with Soares and he knew it to be an actual malady of some sort!!! I'll have to go back and take a look!!! Some of you older guys.....you have a better memory than I........am I the only one that remembers this.............maybe I'm thinking about the time I had lock- jaw.....;-) Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto