I had mentioned to Jerry off list that the female had died, and when I pulled her out of the tank her mouth was closed. So I did not even think of trying to relocate or just move the mouth to see if I could figure out the problem. Next time I will try to remember. Greg ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto