Hello Bill Only reason i didnt mention killies as a dither fish , is that i've said many times in the past that i regularly use killies in with my apistos... I presently have chocolate australes breeding in the same tank as my Sp Mamore Red pair. I also use Epiplatys Dageti in my cacatuoides tank, also have red/orange australes in with my Borellis. I actually prefer NOT to use any dither fish nowadays.... I find that any fish in the tank with my apistos distracts the fish from spawning... not the reverse desired effect of creating a stronger "pair bond" and making them better parents....Only reason i have some killies in with my apistos now is tank space reasons. When i really want the apistos to spawn.... i remove the killies. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto