Well said Randy. I have a hard time placing too much stock in genetic studies myself. For one, as you say we don't yet fully understand DNA, and second, any lines of distinction drawn between species will be rather weak because of subjectivity in determining where genetic variation in one species ends and a new species begins. It is probably unreasonable to expect any sort of consensus if for no other reason than not everyone is going to agree about how they will define species. I do have to agree with Mike with regards to playing it safe, though not necessarily for the same reasons. The way I see it, if an Apisto can successfully cross with another form, it's already questionable whether it's a different Apisto at all. However, even if an Apisto ends up being the same species as one already described, it may have unique attributes that might not show up normally, and careless breeding could lose that. That doesn't mean I have a problem with experimenting. If someone wants to try out a cross and see what they get, that's fine and dandy with me. Could be interesting. They should just be honest about it in their dealings and not try to pass it off as something it's not. Zack ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto