I actually made a contraption that i saw on the internet. initially i used the bottom of my gravel vac, but found it too narrow. I cut the bottom off of a gatorade bottle (i have a bunch of these that i use for CO2 reactors). the idea is that you put some food in the top of the bottleand when the fish comes up in to get it, you put the cap on (or already have the cap on with a small hole in it and then just use your finger)this creates the vacuum which holds the water in the bottle (and the fish). but, as dave has pointed out, these are smart fish. i really haven't had any trouble catching any other fish...even my small pleco (or large pleco). initially when i put the net in, he wouldn't come higher than 2" (5cm) from the floor. forget trying to get him into the corner, he knows better. then when i use the bottle/vac trick, he won't get anywhere near it. this one is different from the rest (maybe wild as opposed to tank?). my late viejita cm ii readily came to the surface to eat, as does my aggi, but this one refuses. it's actually pretty funny for me, like some kind of slapstick movie...that fish always wins. but thanks for the help and keep it coming. does anyone know of (or have) a site that i can post pics (mine of course) for the others to look at? Thanks again, Archie ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto