I think after all this talk, I've gotta agree with John. Rare or not, they weren't the most impressive fish I've had, and if I had to pick a limited number of species I could keep, moae wouldn't make the top 5. They were nice to play with, but I sold them because they just didn't stand out. They're rare (whether I had them or not, can't really prove it one way or the other at this point), but rarity isn't everything. If Apisto sp. ivegotemandyoudont is so-so for looks, and has few or no special characteristics, then I won't be crushed if I don't have it. I'll hold out for Apisto sp. reallypurtyfish. John, I think you should complain to the weather people and tell them to check the thermostat. It's summer now; snow is for winter. We even finally figured that out here in MN. Zack ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto