The shape of the Dorsal is different than the extensions Randy cacatuoides, pertensis, nijsseni, Mcmasteri all have different shaped Dorsal fins but different individuals of these species have different quality dorsal fins (ie long extensions short extensions no extensions ) The shape of the dorsal fins is not a transient characteristic but the condition of it is, ie chewed up, pristine, malformed_ Soft Water Dwarf Cichlids Uwe Romer & David Soares 14697 S. Bluegrass Ln. Sisters OR, 97759 Phone/541-549-9350 apistodave@bendcable.com www.apistogrammaidiots.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Carey" <carey@spacestar.net> To: <apisto@listbox.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 3:08 PM Subject: moae vs. eunotus