hey Maike, is Ingo Koslowski new book in english? if so, where could we get it? thank you for all those interesting posts Yvan Alleau 712 NW Kings Blvd Corvallis, OR 97330 College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences Oregon State University office (Burt 222): 737-3649, to be used wisely! home: 738-0606 PLEASE NOTE NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: yalleau@coas.oregonstate.edu "When you're far from everything, you're getting closer to the essential" -----Original Message----- From: owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com [mailto:owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com]On Behalf Of Mike & Diane Wise Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 10:41 AM To: apisto@listbox.com Subject: Re: Apistogramma moae Zack, You've run into one of the problems with commercial apistos. You have to rely on the dealer to provide accurate information. He, in turn, relies on his suppliers. The problem is that none of these honest hard working people usually have any real experience with IDing these fish. This is why so many new fish are coming in under erroneous names or have more than 1 name attached to them. I don't know anyone in North America who has had personal experience with almost every apisto, although there are a very few that do in Germany & Japan. Books by their very nature are outdated by the time they are published. This can mean that new information will correct IDs. Last month, for example, Ingo Koslowski put out the most recent book on apistos - ~ 200 different forms (I didn't count). Still he bemoans the fact that still more new & relevant apistos have appeared since he turned in the manuscript last January. Are all of his IDs even correct? He has already told me to correct one of his IDs. Who knows how many more will be discovered? So what do we do? I think the apisto mailing list is a good source of information. At least we can get various views on a subject. I think the best we can do is ask questions and show pictures to as many people as we can - and hope for the best. Mike Wise Zack Wilson wrote: > Well, my, what a confusing world we live in. How am I supposed to know what > fish I have when even the published material ain't right and they can't > agree? Who do I talk to who knows every species and is right? If their right > some of the time, but not all of the time, how am I supposed to know when > it's one or the other? > > I manage to match a fish up to a photo in a book and I'm still wrong, heh. > > I think I'll just start calling my Apistos American dwarfs. I can't be wrong > then, I think...I probably am. > > Zack > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto