Jerry, I was calling it cf. eunotus based solely on the fact that Mike was saying that the picture called moae in the Linke/Staeck book was misidentified and was, according to him, referred to by Koslowski as cf. eunotus, eunotus, and a variety of other names. But I guess that's not really eunotus either, so that wouldn't be right. They don't look like the eunotus I've had, or, er, think I've had, but probably haven't. Got it? Pics rarely do do justice to the real thing. That's one reason why we keep fish and not just pictures. Zack ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto