Hmmm, so then we've come full circle, somewhat. That's all I was curious about. The names have been flying so when you said they looked like moae, I wanted to be sure you meant moae. So would I be justified somewhat in still calling them moae for the time being? ...I think in the absence of proof to the negative, that's what I'll do. Hear that Jerry and Randy, I *might* have actually gotten it right. Course the ones Randy ended up with still look different. Oh well, some's better than none. I think the source material is rather limited, so I wouldn't want to sacrifice any of them for study at the moment, and I don't think Jerry would either. However, if I can get some back and spawn them again, I'd be happy to send you a few to check out in living color. I could also borrow a friend's camera and try to get a selection of photos. Zack ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto