Hmmm, I wonder if those are the real ones as well or if they are some of the other eunotus-type apistos. I barely remember what they looked like, but I don't think they were as obviously eunotus as Randy's. The male was sporting a long dorsal trailer, but they could have just been an exaggerated characteristic on him. The second batch that I got as a box of norberti had a mix of Apistos. Since they were younger it was harder to be sure of the ID. Randy ended up with what looked to be eunotus. It's still possible you might have ended up with the moae or something like it. Zack ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto