Congrats on the Bio spawn Ade!!! Sal and Rich were really helpful with me too but i could never get mine to spawn.... no matter what i did..... it was the wrong thing... Another Nemesis fish for me i guess.... As far as Gibbiceps is concerned... i had some a few years back, wild caught fish i got from Julio. Mine did very well for me.. They spawned several times in a 10 gallon tank, but as a group not with just single pair.... i had like 2 males 3 females in the tank and got spawns.. there wasnt much aggression amongst the fish either... I dont know if i was lucky or not... but thats how it worked for me... pH was in the 6.0 range.... temps were around 80F.... very soft water... like 50ppm hardness... I had several flower pots in the tank... at least one pot per fish... used a hydro sponge as my filter..... fed live foods and pellet stuff.... that was when i was still using live blackworms... they went nuts for them... also hatched bbs everyday... used daphnia and frozen blood worms along with flake food and tetra bits ( color bits ... oops ) .... spawns werent big... maybe like 30 in a batch. Good luck with them..... John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto