Wow.... I guess im glad im not a west coast person.... Ive never seen cacatuoides reluctant to spawn.... Never.... just about every pair ive ever put together have spawned for me... dont know if its luck, but that is the case for me. I just had a pair of wild caught cf Cacatuoides spawn for me in a quarantine tank..... nothing in there but a sponge filter.... Oh well.... Alfredo.. buy your cacatuoides on the East Coast... lol John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader