Could this be from bad blackworms? I always rinse them like a freak (about 10 minutes or so--until nothing is seen in the pour-off water)but I know from previous lists that they are pretty dirty. The problem is that all of my apistos love the blackworms more than everything else. I am afraid to try the other worms because most of the comments about them are pretty much bad results...as opposed to blackworms which seems to be yielding more positive results than negative. It would be cool if someone new of the various diseases the live worms can carry. thanks for the help, both on and off list. >>> apistowise@fgn.net 06/04/02 10:58 AM >>> Archie, This could be anything. Some of it sounds like poison in the water. Before shotgun medicating I would recommend several massive water changes. This might not be the problem because I would expect all the fish to behave strangely. Either way it won't hurt to try this first. Mike Wise ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader