Hello Mike, thanks for the info. yup i heard it was some hybrid though i wasn't sure. i used to have a spawning pair when i was younger. that time i obtained the pair from a feeder fish tank. they grew up quite quickly and then i ended up with a breeding pair. i had no success in raising the fry as i was caught up with schoolwork and other stuff. by the way, i used to have a pair of A. nijsenni but the male died a few weeks ago. they never seemed to pair up though back at the aquarium where i got them, they were defending a small territory. strangely, they didn't reproduce the same behaviour in my 54 gallon planted tank. regards, Jay Chen ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader