Hi Coby, Isn't it funny how they are? Sorry I don't have any solution for your problem. I can only sympathize. My trifasciata pair spawned only after I turned their tank water into virtually pure H2O. My borellii breeds so well that I had to separate the pair. Then all the little females in the growout tanks color up and start breeding when they are barely 3 months old. Tiny orange flash cac pair spawned right after they arrived and right next to them the same age double red cac pair just refuse to spawn. My aggie female wears the pants. They are driving me batty!! Tomoko ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader