John wrote: "Whos to say that different locations of a particular Aggie arent the same fish.... just because the first fish is from Rio X and the second one is from Rio Y.... why couldnt they be the same fish just different places...." As I understand things: Different locations of one species CAN be the "same fish", the same morphological type within the species. (Or two distinct type localities). It is a matter of how long the two populations have been separated and to what degree they are separated. If Rio X and Rio Y fishes interbreed with great frequency then the rate of genetic drift for both of the populations (both X and Y) is slow and they will be more or less the "same fish", same type. If they are separated to a great extent, say by a stretch of land that does NOT connect the two locations, even during the flood waters.. and they do not get a chance to interbreed, then the rate of genetic drift would be expected to increase and we would expect them to be different types. Whether they are or are not significantly different enough to say they are different types, and not simply showing slight individual variation, is harder to evaluate. (This is where Mike Wise always seems to come in.. ) If I seem overly technical, I'm sorry. I've been debating speciation processes in fish, especially cichlids, with some friends practically all day long on the campus library. This list provides us with some great debate material. >Sarah __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader