Re: A. Ortmanni now A. steindachneri

[Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise@fgn.net>]

Well, Colin, I cannot tell from the picture if this is A. steindachneri or A. rupununi; it certainly is not A. hippolytae. What bothers me is that the photo does not show the caudal fin well, and the soft part of the dorsal does not show any orange, typical of A. steindachneri, but not A. rupununi. I have A. rupununi right now that look very much like the photo on the link & I have had A.
steindachneri with much more blue than the fish shown. Send me some photos of the females. They tend to show the diagnostic dark pattern better than the males. Schmettkamp's book, "Die Zwergcichliden Südamerikas" has an excellent set of line drawings that help distinguish the 3 steindachneri-complex species from each other. The location of the flank patch on your fish does appear to be like
those of A. steindachneri, which actually extends from slightly below the lateral band to 2/3 up to the dorsal fin. A. rupununi's flank patch is wider and extends from the base of the dorsal to just above the lateral band. That all being said, I am not surprised at the confusion since we are now finding locations in the upper Rio Branco where both A. steindachneri & A. rupununi live together.
Are we seeing mixing of the 2 species or variations in 1 species. Only time & more studies will tell.


Colin Gorton wrote:

> It looks just like this
> http://www.thekrib.com/Apisto/A-steindach-male-ken.jpg
> I'll try and get some photos tomorrow (they'll be asleep now). I have had Rupununi before and there was the clear diference in the position of the lateral spot. The ones I have at present clearly have this spot on the lateral line. The ones I had before, the spot was above it.
> But to be quite honest IDs have never been my strongest point, so no, I'm not sure. Just going on what I've been told. The Rupununis also had a very attractive blue sheen whereas the Steindachneri are more golden (I know that colours are not the best means of ID). Sexual differentiation was also much more obvious on what I took to be Rupununi as there was a much greater variation in size.
> C:)lin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise@fgn.net>
> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:51:09 -0700
> To: apisto@listbox.com
> Subject: Re: A. Ortmanni now A. steindachneri
>
> > Colin,
> >
> > Are you certain that you fish is A. steindachneri?
> > Could it be A. rupununi, a similar species that
> > has a round to squared off tail? Every male A.
> > steindachneri I've ever seen has had a double
> > tipped tail fin once it matured.
> >
> > Mike Wise
> >
> >
> >
> > Colin Gorton wrote:
> >
> > > These come from similar conditions to
> > > Cacatuoides. Pretty fish and I've found them
> > > quite easy to breed. They turn a really handsome
> > > gold colour. I've also found that the strain
> > > that I have doesn't have the lyreate tail, the
> > > giveaway is the position of the lateral spot (I
> > > believe it lies ON the lateral line with
> > > Steindachneri and ABOVE the line with Rupununi.)
> > >
> > > C:-)lin
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kelly Higgins"
> > > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:16:58 -0600
> > > To: "Apisto"
> > > Subject: A. Ortmanni now A. steindachneri
> > >
> > > Mike, Bailin,After looking at everything Bailin
> > > sent me and My own books I have Identified these
> > > fish as steindachneri. The male is just now
> > > getting a lyerate tail which is the tell off on
> > > this fish. They are just little brown fish, but
> > > I am still enjoying them and hope they color up
> > > a bit. I have them in black water with peat and
> > > oak leaves. My book didnt say weather this was a
> > > black water sp. or not however so I guessed.
> > > Kelly Higgins
> > >
> > > C:-)lin
> > >
> > > They said "Smile, things could be worse." So I smiled, and sure enough...
> > >
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