David I live in the states , Tupper Lake to be exact, which is 1 1/4 hours south of Massena, same south of Malone NY and drive 2 1/2 hours to get to the meetings...... anytime you want something sent to me and wanna come pick it up, you are more then welcome to do so....... plus you could see my 25+ species of apistos..... John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader