Hello Mike I am pretty sure that oliver imports his brazilian fish directly from south american... not from Europe.... Also , Olivers fish ARE NOT expensive.... considering that you get quality wild caught fish, I dont find his prices that high.... Yes , living close to Montreal i do get to see alot of new and rare imports..... Like George.. Im spoiled too!! I find a trip to Olivers once every three months or so very fun..... I've been able to get my hands of species I've only dreamed of in the past. It's just too bad that everyone doesnt make the effort to get new fish..... I am willing to pay for the new stuff....Im also willing to pay for the quality stuff that has been in the hobby for years....Its really too bad that too many ppl are so friggin cheap..... If you want fish for $1.99 go buy some Firemouths.....PetSmart has lots of them!!! IF you want good apistos... be willing to pay for them!!! John in Northern NY WHERE It didnt snow yet!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader