sp Black chin is most likely Juruensis, I remember reading that somewhere..... If you're looking for it.... i have quite a few of them plus a whole bunch of F1 fry coming up. Johnny in Winter Wonderland ....Again!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader