John I had some very pretty guttata that I collected in Venezuela. The published pictures did not do justice to these fish. They spawned like crazy at first. However the F1's would not spawn for me. Several others that I shared these fish with had a similar experiance. I collected these fish on two different occasions. Unfortunately they live in a very restricted area and on my second trip, the river was very degraded in quality and the number of fish was much less. If Venezuela ever becomes a safe place to travel to again, these fish will definitley be a target. Tom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader