Hello Mike Thanks for the info! I´m refering to the book by Romer (like always) but of course not all the info in this book is correct. I have to buy this book by Koslowski! Havent heard about this book before. Best regards/ Per Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise@bewellnet.com> wrote: Per, You have old information, probably my article that is about 5 years old now. We know a little more now. A. sp. Chao is not closely related to the Balzfleck Apisto (a neat little fish, by the way). Although its lateral band does break into a series of spots, especially while brooding, A sp. Chao has no true lateral spot (a spot on Bar 3 that is noticeably wider than the lateral band, or any other spots formed from the lateral band). The lack of a lateral spot is a characteristic found only in the regani-lineage (regani-, macmasteri-, Rotpunkt-groups, as well as A. borellii & Apistogrammoides). The Balzfleck Apisto has an especially large lateral spot & features that indicate that it probably is allied of the pertensis-group in some way. Koslowski (2002) assigns A. sp. Chao to the Xingu-complex in the regani-group. For those who can read some German, Koslowski's new book, "Die Buntbarsche Amerikas, Band 2 - Apistogramma & Co." is well worth reading. It is the only source that organizes almost all of the apistos into coherent groupings. It really helps with identifying apistos. The more species you can eliminate, the better your chances are of correctly identifying your fish. Mike Wise Per Wigstal wrote: >Hello > >This species seem to be a member of the "Balzfleck"-group. 30-40mm in lenght and have the very unusual caracteristics that the male is smaller than the female. > >Lucky you, if you will be able to get some of them. :-) > >Best regards/ Per > >aquapassion@sympatico.ca wrote: >Hi Per, > >Thanks for the info, I'll try to get my hands on a copy of the Cichlid atlas!! > >I don't have any of those yet, nor are they in a lfs, but they might have some within a month. I'll try and go reserve them for myself :) > >Thanks, >David > > >>From: Per Wigstal >> >> > > > >>Date: 2003/10/07 Tue AM 09:34:32 EST >>To: apisto@v2.listbox.com >>Subject: Re: Apistogramma sp. Chao >> >>Hello David. >> >>I have read about this species in the Cichlid atlas by Romer. It´s a very small species. There´s some photos also in this book. >> >>Have you seen this fish in a shop, or do you have it? >> >>Best regards/ Per >> >> >> >>David Trescak wrote: >>Anyone have any pictures or information on this species, Apistogramma sp. >>Chao. I've also seen Apistogramma sp. Rio Xingu >> >>Thanks, >>David >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>-- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For >>instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email >>apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. >>Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at >>http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader