Re: How to reduce NO2

["Matt & Linda Crocker" <crocker3@99webstreet.com>]

Scott,

    No proof, just opinion.  No offense intended.


    Just the slang for a disbeliever of a claimed 'do it all easier
and better' product.  The term (snake oil) is often used by
skeptical buyers of highly touted unproven products, until time
tested.

    Many products show amazing results in controlled laboratory
conditions, only to come up short in real world situations.

    JMHO

    Matt

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott" <zerelli@yahoo.com>
To: <apisto@v2.listbox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: How to reduce NO2


> What do you base the snakoil claim on? I used to work
> for Marineland, and I really take offense (well not
> offense, nothing to get mad about :-)) at that. They
> spend a lot of money on making these products work. If
> you have used it and found it to be not worth while I
> would love to hear about it. It is easy to scoff at a
> new product but without trying it, I don't see how
> someone can blow it off. Yeah, if you have seasoned
> filters then it is pointless, but if you want to
> eliminate all risk of introducing things from tank to
> tank or do not have seasoned filters then I do not
> think it would be snakeoil.
>
> --- Matt & Linda Crocker <crocker3@99webstreet.com>
> wrote:
> > biospira (snake oil)
> >
> > grab a sponge filter from another tank and start
> > changing water
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Scott" <zerelli@yahoo.com>
> > To: <apisto@v2.listbox.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: How to reduce NO2
> >
> >
> > > Well, for apistos this (water changes) is the only
> > > solution that I think I would go with, well the
> > Prime
> > > one would be good for emergencies. If you do in
> > fact
> > > mean NO2 (Nitrite) and not NO3 (nitrate), then you
> > > have not cycled this tank well enough to be
> > putting
> > > anything you like a lot into it (expensive apistos
> > for
> > > example). Marineland now makes a product that will
> > > help you greatly but I forget the exact name. A
> > while
> > > back Dr. Hovanec of Marineland discovered that the
> > > bacteria which process nitrogenous waste in
> > aquariums
> > > was something other than notrosomonas and
> > notrobacter
> > > as was previously believed. They finally managed
> > to
> > > isolate and culture this bacteria (and patent it
> > too
> > > which seems a bit flaky to me). The product is
> > > something like bio-spira (the bacteria are
> > nitrospira
> > > species) and will greatly help with cycling a new
> > > tank. Nitrite (NO2) levels will sometimes elevate
> > > slightly when new fish are added as well, because
> > the
> > > amount of bacteria in the tank has to adjust to
> > the
> > > new bio-load. If you meant nitrate this whole time
> > > (NO3) well, then like big John says water changes
> > are
> > > your answer. Nothing removes nitrates any better
> > than
> > > that. Nitrite on the other hand will have to
> > elevate
> > > at some point and remain that way (long enough for
> > the
> > > bacteria that oxidize it to grow in sufficient
> > > numbers)in order for your tank to properly
> > establish
> > > the nitrogen cycle. If you lower it artificially
> > it
> > > will only elevate again as the ammonia is
> > processed.
> > >
> > > --- John Wubbolt <BigJohnW@webtv.net> wrote:
> > > > How about the old fashione way.... Water
> > changes!!!
> > > >  That still
> > > > works......   Gee, why didnt i think of
> > that.....
> > > > 8-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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