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Re: How to reduce NO2
It was actually quite ironic that you chose that term.
The first time I went to an education meeting (they go
in depth on the products so you can explain them) they
actually talked about companies selling snakeoil. I
plan to eventually try it out. If I get the chance I
will do a test like this: 1 tank with Bio-spira 1 tank
with a seasoned sponge filter and 1 tank with nothing.
It should be interesting to see how the cycle goes.
--- Matt & Linda Crocker <crocker3@99webstreet.com>
wrote:
> Scott,
>
> No proof, just opinion. No offense intended.
>
>
> Just the slang for a disbeliever of a claimed
> 'do it all easier
> and better' product. The term (snake oil) is often
> used by
> skeptical buyers of highly touted unproven products,
> until time
> tested.
>
> Many products show amazing results in controlled
> laboratory
> conditions, only to come up short in real world
> situations.
>
> JMHO
>
> Matt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott" <zerelli@yahoo.com>
> To: <apisto@v2.listbox.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:23 AM
> Subject: Re: How to reduce NO2
>
>
> > What do you base the snakoil claim on? I used to
> work
> > for Marineland, and I really take offense (well
> not
> > offense, nothing to get mad about :-)) at that.
> They
> > spend a lot of money on making these products
> work. If
> > you have used it and found it to be not worth
> while I
> > would love to hear about it. It is easy to scoff
> at a
> > new product but without trying it, I don't see how
> > someone can blow it off. Yeah, if you have
> seasoned
> > filters then it is pointless, but if you want to
> > eliminate all risk of introducing things from tank
> to
> > tank or do not have seasoned filters then I do not
> > think it would be snakeoil.
> >
> > --- Matt & Linda Crocker
> <crocker3@99webstreet.com>
> > wrote:
> > > biospira (snake oil)
> > >
> > > grab a sponge filter from another tank and start
> > > changing water
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Scott" <zerelli@yahoo.com>
> > > To: <apisto@v2.listbox.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:50 AM
> > > Subject: Re: How to reduce NO2
> > >
> > >
> > > > Well, for apistos this (water changes) is the
> only
> > > > solution that I think I would go with, well
> the
> > > Prime
> > > > one would be good for emergencies. If you do
> in
> > > fact
> > > > mean NO2 (Nitrite) and not NO3 (nitrate), then
> you
> > > > have not cycled this tank well enough to be
> > > putting
> > > > anything you like a lot into it (expensive
> apistos
> > > for
> > > > example). Marineland now makes a product that
> will
> > > > help you greatly but I forget the exact name.
> A
> > > while
> > > > back Dr. Hovanec of Marineland discovered that
> the
> > > > bacteria which process nitrogenous waste in
> > > aquariums
> > > > was something other than notrosomonas and
> > > notrobacter
> > > > as was previously believed. They finally
> managed
> > > to
> > > > isolate and culture this bacteria (and patent
> it
> > > too
> > > > which seems a bit flaky to me). The product is
> > > > something like bio-spira (the bacteria are
> > > nitrospira
> > > > species) and will greatly help with cycling a
> new
> > > > tank. Nitrite (NO2) levels will sometimes
> elevate
> > > > slightly when new fish are added as well,
> because
> > > the
> > > > amount of bacteria in the tank has to adjust
> to
> > > the
> > > > new bio-load. If you meant nitrate this whole
> time
> > > > (NO3) well, then like big John says water
> changes
> > > are
> > > > your answer. Nothing removes nitrates any
> better
> > > than
> > > > that. Nitrite on the other hand will have to
> > > elevate
> > > > at some point and remain that way (long enough
> for
> > > the
> > > > bacteria that oxidize it to grow in sufficient
> > > > numbers)in order for your tank to properly
> > > establish
> > > > the nitrogen cycle. If you lower it
> artificially
> > > it
> > > > will only elevate again as the ammonia is
> > > processed.
> > > >
> > > > --- John Wubbolt <BigJohnW@webtv.net> wrote:
> > > > > How about the old fashione way.... Water
> > > changes!!!
> > > > > That still
> > > > > works...... Gee, why didnt i think of
> > > that.....
> > > > > 8-)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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