Coby, By your description it seems like the other two are females.. Since only males have the spade caudal fin and long ventrals. I have my two pairs in a 20 long with 4 plants (anubias nana and java fern) plus a BIG clump of java moss! Four small caves for spawning media! Water temp 80.. 6.5 Ph (Using Oak leaves to bring the ph down). I change 25% of the water weekly! With this set up mine are spawning regularly. Any other questions you can contact off line! God luck Sal -----Original Message----- From: owner-apisto@v2.listbox.com [mailto:owner-apisto@v2.listbox.com] On Behalf Of The Haunted Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 12:31 PM To: apisto@listbox.com Subject: Taeniacara candidi questions Hey, Ive had 4 Taeniacara candidi for about a year now. One fish is huge now and has bright red fins and is obviously the male, a long with a smaller male that I can tell. However, Im not sure if the last 2 are females or not. They are very small, and look kind of like the male, minus the spade on the caudal fin as well as shorter other fins and less intense colour. But. they could, for all intents and purposes, be really small males? I was thinking of setting up a tank for breeding them, or at least housing them. right now they are in a 15 gallon planted display tank with a pair of A. elizabethae and some random other apistos. Can anyone share their successful methods at spawning these fish? what size tank? pH? tank decor? use dither fish? etc.. thank you coby This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader _________________________________________________________________ Expand your wine savvy - and get some great new recipes - at MSN Wine. http://wine.msn.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader