well your reasoning for wanting wild fish is valid yet it is also flawed. let me explain. It ois true that some hobbyists fail to keep their lines pure so you may have seen a tefe aggie that did not throw pure tefe this may have been because an unsuspecting hobbyist crossed it to another form of aggie something that may well happen. However I feel the benefits of tank bred fish are far greater! Most Europeans and some (sadley very very few American hobbyists) AMerican breeders line breed Apistos and are far diffrent from the wild fish we see. We can call it line breeding or simply seriousl;y working with a species inorder to improve it not just color wise but also behavior wise. My point is that you will find A.agassizi tefe probably from Europe and you wont have the problems you discussed if you get them from a good source. Something all of us should do is work with apistos and keep a line of them going for a few years. something i find lacking in the states. Perhaps this will inspre others to do the same. Anyway there has been little talk out there so maybe this will renew some intrest. Or maybe give us something to argue about lol best fishes Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader