I generally leave fry with parents, at least for the first month, and have had great luck with a number of Apisto, Nannacara and Laeatacara species, with one notable exception: Apistogramma hippolytae. I've had a number of spawnings but the parents do not take care of the eggs, and I get no viable fry. This has happened with two different pairs. The next time I spot eggs, I'm going to try to raise them myself. When I do separate the fry, I put them in a container with lots of floating plants -- duckweed, salvinia and frogbit -- along with java moss. I mostly use containers floating in larger tanks, with a small current of water added by a low-volume water pump or output from a Tetra sponge filter (perforated ends covered with fine fishnet keep the container from overflowing and styrofoam blocks keep the it afloat -- it's a design I borrowed from Justin Hau of San Francico's Ocean Aquarium). I feed a combination of LiquiFry, Tetra powdered fry food and baby brine shrimp. I think the smallest babies snack on the infusoria living in the floating plants. I had problems raising L. dorsiger fry with their parents, but I think those fry starved to death because the tank lacked sufficient infusoria and they're *very* small. When I started raising them in containers with lots of floating plants they flourished. Incidentally, I'm currently watching a female A. nijsseni shepherding about 20 fry around her tank -- I'm very pleased to see this fish spawning. I credit the Waters of the World Amazon formula for helping this to happen -- I've been working with nijsseni for months without much luck. Pete Johnson || Two approaches to the same problem: San Jose, CA || flying fish and penguins. ============ Reminder: Kindly quote parsimoniously when replying ============= This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@aquaria.net. To subscribe or unsubscribe or get help , send the word "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" or "help" in the body (not subject) to apisto-request@aquaria.net