Ken...........I have some of those "unidentified Apisto's"......supposedly Apistogramoides pucallpaensis.......ID is tough.......is the 'ray' business that easy to see? I'll try it when I go home tonight!......but your story is just like you said...in a dealers tank 'unidentified'. There is a black 'v' coming off of the eye..........one of the black bands goes up to end between the dorsal and the tip of the nose....the other band is the normal apisto black band going towards the ventral fins. The lateral line varies in intensity but is mostly solid and kinda ends in a 'T' and then there is a space of a scale or two and then a smallish caudal peduncle spot........the fish I have ......4 of them .....are ohhhhh, 1 1/4 - 1 1/2" long. In the Linke- Stake book they kinda look like A. Caeti.....but they don't if you know what I mean........The 'v' at the eye is more pronounced. Mike ********************************************* Sent via CAT Online, a tool of The Center For Advanced Technologies. Please visit us at http://www.cat.pinellas.k12.fl.us. ********************************************* From: Fredrik.Ljungberg@saab.se Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:28:59 +0000 Subject: Re: Apistogramoides pucallpaensis. Just expanding on the info a little... It's fairly easy to see the extra spines (hard fin rays) in the anal fin. Ap. pucallpaensis having 6-9 compared to most Apistos having 3, some though 4-5. Ap. luelingi is one of those having more than 3 spines. The anal fin of the pucallpaensis looks a lot longer than the Apistos'. The hard fin rays are the ones the fish can "move", the soft ones are recognised from their y-shape (they're fork-like) - their ends split. Look at the pics in Linke and Staeck's book and you'll see the difference. The male Ap. pucallpaensis pictured has 8 spines if my eyes aren't fooling me. Please breed and ship to Sweden, they're very rare over here :-) Regards, Fredrik