>>It's good to be back.........Bill, how are those youngsters???<< Good to see you're back, Mike. All but two of the fry survived the shipment. I then proceeded to kill off most of them. I'm really not sure what happened. Things got (and still are) real crazy at work so I was not able to spend much time with my tanks. That plus the extensive rock work hide them from my view. I'd see an occasional fry near the cave entrances and figured the rest were secluded deep inside. Anyway, it wasn't until last weekend that I really became worried because I noticed that I haven't seen a borelli in a while. So I started to lift up rocks and moving things around. It appears that I have about 6-7 gibaceps and that all of the borelli are gone (major bummer). As I said above, I'm not sure what happened. The Angels (p. scalare) could have gotten them. But there was no problem before when I kept them with the j. transcriptus and t. bifrenatus young-ins, and the rock caves provide ample hiding places. Or it could have been the baby bushynose plecos, but everything I've read says they should be fine and they are very small, about an inch. Like I said, the rock work is extensive. I plan on re-arranging the tank this weekend. Learning from this experience, I'll make sure that I can see into each rock cave. I was going to call you, but I, frankly, I was a little embarrassed by the whole thing. I decided to post this on the list so that others may learn from my experience. FYI - the two fry that died in transport got caught in the pleats of the bag on the bottom. Even though you double bagged with the inside bag inverted (to avoid trapping them in the corners), the large size of the bags caused folds near the center where the bag was twisted. This is where they got caught. It have been a fluke, I haven't shipped/received large bags before. Or maybe several smaller bags would be safer. Bill Vannerson McHenry, IL USA william_vannerson@ama-assn.org