Ed Pon wrote: > snip... >... I have tried to figure out why there are >some of us who are so in love with dwarf cichlids, and see if there was >a way to express the passion for these little fish to see if I can lure >others down this path. I still haven't got a sane and logical >explanation for the nuttiness of apisto fans. Well, Ed, welcome to the insane world of killies, wild Bettas, etc. ;-) Fish that need special water, are tricky to breed, have subtle beauty, etc. are prized so highly by the afficianado that it is hard for them to recognize that there is almost no market out there for them. They just don't sell like Orandas! Europeans, particularly, often fall into this trap, for they have been conditioned for years to mistrust the subjective-choice process in free markets, anyway. I just had another bizarre example of this phenomenon happen to me recently. One solution that shows some promise of working is the Killy Conservation Committee. The KCC selected a few "core" species that were unavailable or endangered in the wild. They should be not too difficult to breed, and sufficiently attractive to be appreciated, even by the less passionate fishkeeper. A Coordinator is found for each species (by a Genus Coordinator), and he/she recruits volunteers who agree to keep and breed that species for a couple of years. The coordinator then arranges for breeding stock for each volunteer, and for periodic exchange of stock to keep the gene pool broad. Rules are loose (or unstated) on what the volunteers do with their surplus stock, but the hope is that they will keep them reasonably available for local club auctions so that the species does not die out. Strict labelling with location and collection code is promoted, and hybridization with other locations (often a different species) is discouraged. I, for example, am coordinator of Fundulopanchax walkeri GH2 Kutunze. The Kutunze collection site has long been lost to industrialization. My root stock were estimated to be about F23 (!), and the species was getting a reputation for being "hard to breed," probably due to unrecorded hybridization with similar-looking fish. [The recent comments on agassizii come to mind -- that was happening to killies 15 years ago] My stock is hard *not* to breed (probably pure) and I'm gradually building a network of enthusiasts who understand the problem and want to help. You can bet I don't charge them if they will commit to a couple of years of species maintenance! As a peripheral cichlid breeder, perhaps the same thing *is* being done within ACA and I just don't know about it. Certainly, Roger Langton, who is a driving force behind KCC, is active in ACA, too. He knows the process and the pitfalls far better than I. Summarizing, I suspect networking beats retailing if we want these special fish available. Apologies for using off-topic examples. Flame shield now going up! :^) Wright - -- Wright Huntley (510) 494-8679 Fremont, CA USA huntley@ix.netcom.com