Gary wrote: >It's 'cause we're lazy sometimes. Oops. Checked my notes, my map and my source, and I change my preposition to 'below'. It does point to a problem though, and not just with my carelessness. It would be nice if we had a standard for identifying interesting wild forms of apistos like cacatuoides< Gary, I do agree with you in that we need to get more organized and figure a way to identify the different Apisto morphs. I jumped at your message because when giving names we are walking a fine line between doing something constructive or completely confusing things. When I read Rio Ucayali and above Iquitos in the same sentence I felt I had to say something. One thing I would like to suggest and would like to hear from others is that instead of using large rivers we should be using a more specific marker. Ideally this would be in the form of GPS data but unfortunately not all collectors have access to the equipment. The other alternative is to use permanent markers such as towns and villages close to the locality or even better a numbering system like the ones used by killifish people. Apistogramma Study Group, are you listening? I would like to hear more about your collecting trip. Take care. Julio