Hello everyone, I saw lot of blue rams at my local pet stores and they are very sensitive and die soon. I gave up trying to keep those little cichlids. But I heard several people from another list saying that they got some blue rams from Tony Griffitts and their fishes are great. So maybe you guy can gave him a call or email him for detail. griffitt@calweb.com Tony Griffitts Sacramento, CA (916) 334-1146 I don't know him personally and have never talked to him before but heard of him from discus-L. I hope this will help you guys. Ade Lau adelau@uwyo.edu