>>Just one cynic's little opinion,<< Well, at least your honest about your opinions <s>. >>What is the point of preserving our little slice of time?<< Partly (mostly) selfish, I suppose. If all one's interested in are the fish available from the large fish farms, then there is little reason for concerned. If their natural location is wiped out, one can always buy Kribs from a fish farm, as long as it's commercially profitable for them to maintain the species. However, if you like to keep fish, or at least have them available in the future, that are not profitable, then it should concern you. Killies are almost exclusively only from hobbyist. The vast majority of these fish came through the collection efforts on an enthusiast (some would say fanatic <g>). Large scale breeding for wholesale is not profitable. Apistos are not quite in the same situation...yet. But it's not inconceivable that it could head that way. Look at the threads on Rams. The fish farm products are fine for a display tank but it's often difficult to find a female or to successfully breed them when you do. Left unchecked, even the fish farms may not be able to maintain the species without an occasional introduction from the wild caught gene pool if the Rams natural habitat is destroyed. Some of the more common killies, like the gold form of A. australe have exhibited this problem even with experienced breeders. So I don't believe it's ridiculous (and I wasn't offended) for concerned hobbyist to consider a systematic process to maintain select species. And even though it's still relatively easy to obtain wild caught Apistos, it's not too early to lay the ground work for a responsible species maintenance program. First, by adopting a location/collection naming convention, we will be able to collect better data on the fish we keep and become better at keeping them. Second, in the event that a collection site is destroyed, it will be up to the hobbyists to preserve the species. I don't think it's realistic to expect re-introduction into the wild. So to that extent, I agree, the attempt is doomed. But to preserve a species for the hobby, so that yourself and others may learn and enjoy from them in the future is a realistic expectation. And worthwhile. Bill Vannerson http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/william_vannerson