>>> Lisa Wrischnik <wrisch@uclink4.berkeley.edu> 01/23/98 06:11am=20 I have a question regarding all the "red ventral/anal fin mythology" surrounding these fish. The female who spawned & raised fry was wild and already had red ventral and anal fins when I bought her. After a few = months I knew she was spawning or at least thinking about it because her fins began to just blaze red (primarily the anal fin, actually). That's when I started paying attention and one morning found her guarding fry. Now I had heard that the fins turn red in response to spawning, but my new generation= (including both my own fry and wild ones that I picked up rather small) is laying eggs right and left (although eating them after a day or two - I = had 14 of them in a 20gal breeder flat, so the density was probably too high) and I havn't seen the blazing red finnage. >>>>>>>>>> Now I have another question on these guys. Erik and I had these spawn on = a few occasions in the 75 gallon planted community tank and the eggs would = eventually disappear. We decided that eventually we would separate them = out and give them their own place. Before we could do this the female = took a suicide dive over the filter. =20 Anyway before she spawned she lacked red ventral fins, and after spawning = they were bright red. ...after we lost her we decided to pick up some new = females. Now in the past we have picked up a group and let them grow into = their sexes. This time we definitely wanted females, so looking through = the tanks, some males we could clearly tell, but I've had what I thought = were females develop into males. So this time I thought the red ventral = fin combined with an otherwise female looking fish was a good bet. Well = we picked up two female looking fish and isolated them and now one of them = is developing male finnage and losing the red ventrals. Now has anyone = else run into this. Can these guys change sex? (I know Crenicara = Punctulata can, and Sheepshead (a marine) but I didn't hear of these guys = doing that). So, I probably just chose the fish wrong but if anyone has = any suggestion or opinions, love to hear them. (be outta town for 5 days but I'd love to hear when I get back). Thanks, Kathy