>>> IDMiamiBob <IDMiamiBob@aol.com> 03/02/98 08:43pm >>> I would suspect you have a rock or seashells or coral or something along = that line that is buffering the pH upward. I had some pumice-type stuff last = year that tested safe, but drove me nuts until I took it out of the tanks. ___________ We had the same problem with one tank, turns out the gravel had fine/crushe= d sea shells in it. One test for that is too take a sample of gravel (not = too wet) and add vinegar too it and see if it bubbles. We now don't use that gravel in the APisto tanks, save it for the = Africans. =20 Erik may recall the name of the gravel, but I don't. It was specifically = being sold for aquariums as well (Texas ?) Kathy