Thanks Aaron and everyone else for your suggestions. The food issue is one I was thinking of too. I was feeding the TetraMin baby food for egglayers, tho I have been told that even this is too big. I had a 'culture!' of infusoria that I made from instructions from the FAQ and other sources but it ended up looking so ummm revolting that I was loath to add it to the tank. I have since obtained a clean culture of controlled infusoria from a LFS ($9!!!! for a jar of slightly murky water !) Now I'm waiting for them to lay again and see what happens - hopefully I can manage this without tooo much experimentation. The first time I took their eggs away they took almost a month before they laid again, so Im expecting them to lay within the next 10 days or so. (The male is ready........ just the girlie isnt - sound familiar :) I also have my first pair of krib's in the 50 gal community tank that I bought 8 days ago and have spawned already. However they have spawned inside a clam shell - - me being a little slow to get around to terracotta pots and stuff - any one think the shell will affect the egg/fry growth? The male is vigorously defending the territory from all and sundry so I'm hoping they will get to raise the fry. Steph Kerrigan's Aquatics wrote: > Steph,sounds like you are doing everything okay.Where you may have gone > wrong is the fry were starving to death.What were you feeding them?I > usually feed micro worms and baby fish food for egg layers.Some of the baby > brine shrimp on the market is way to large for thier mouths.As for cleaning > the fry tank,I usually use a piece of airline tubing.It is slow going but > gets the job done.I do this about every other day. One other note,I like to > use Acriflavine instead of Methelene Blue because I feel I get a higher > hatch and survival rate.I think the Methelene Blue is too strong.Anybody > have similar problems? > Aaron > ---------- > > From: Steph & Dave <caligula@curie.dialix.com.au> > > To: Apisto Mailing List <apisto@majordomo.pobox.com> > > Subject: Ram Fry Problems > > Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 1:29 AM > > > > Hi All > > > > Im looking for suggestions and info on raising Ram fry successfully. :) > > > > I had a spawn that I hatched artificially but all fry died progressively > > over the first 6 days. They never seemed to truly develop into free > > swimming fry, staying on the bottom of the fry tank. > > > > I saw a previous article about belly sliders and was wondering if this > > is what happened and what to do to prevent this. > > > > My current routine with the spawn is to : > > - setup a 5 gal tank with water from the parents tank, (ph 6.4, 50ppm > > hardness) > > - move the rock with the eggs on it into the tank - carefully not > > exposing them to air > > - i set up a sponge with a airstone thru it as a primitive sponge filter > > and but otherwise run a bare tank - the sponge comes out of a > > established tank > > - place eggs near air stone to get a water current over them > > - add some fungicide > > > > Has anyone got any suggestions about doing water changes? > > In such a small volume I am a bit cautious? Should I leave the water > > untouched for say 10 days, change every day, or something inbetween > > ????? > > > > If babies die, how do you remove them from the tank to prevent further > > contamination? > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated, > > > > Thanks > > > > Steph > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List > Archives"! > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------