>> Question to other apistophiles: the sexing method I mention above >> seems to work well for many spp. I'm familiar with, but I'd like to know >> with which spp. this technique wouldn't be helpful. > >Quite a lot especially if you are looking at young fish or >those in unsuitable conditions in a shop tank where their >colour pales. A lot of young fish look very similar in >terms of colouration. This is the problem! Hence the need to look at finnage. I am getting a little better at it. The ventral fin differences are still the best way to sex very small apistos IMO. >Regarding the black ventral fins most (all?) females show >the black colour when spawning but not neccessarily at >other times. The black in the ventrals of females from cacatuoides-like apistos (for one) is a very useful distinction. I was able to get a m/f pair out of a big tank of virtually identical small luelingi using this. - -Doug Brown debrown@kodak.com