Hi folks, last monday i've found 3 stray apistos, perhaps a new macmystery. The shop assistant couldn't tell what it is, where it comes from (surely a contaminant) nor how much it costs (funny eh). A day later after he's asked for a price and i've picked them up: 2 males 1 female (i hope it's really a female - but there isn't a big difference) at a moderate price (40 DM for those 3 fish). These guys are aprox. 40 - 45 mm. Males got lyra tail, short extensions on dorsal. Now i'm quite sure it's A.gibbiceps - maybe i'm able to photograph them, scan it and put it on the net - i'd be interested in your opinion. Gibbiceps is a blackwater fish - right ? Are you able to tell about values of pH, hardness, electric condutivity, food requirements ? Thomas