Thanks for info David, i've put them into my agassizii tank (45 gal, must soon do a new tank setup for them) it's just a temporary solution. But they seem to do well in it - for long term i think water is to hard (8 GH) and pH to high (6,8). Must do water softening. The ranges you gave is what i thought of. . Thomas David Sanchez wrote: > Awesome Thomas! Thats what makes keeping Apisto's fun, contamenants. > We never know what we have. Regardless, I reccomend using soft water > (1-10 DH) and a pH around 6.5 or 6 until you are sure. It doesn't hurt > to go low. I have a well and my water comes out pH 5.5 and less then 1 > DH, microsiemns of 30, and a KH of 1. I use this water for all my > dwarfs with out problems even my A.cacatoudies but for breeding I > adjust (or else i will get 90% males in A.cacatoudies) to what ever is > required. A little trick that my wife found ( I cant take the credit) > is to use black water extract ( I use boiled peat that makes a tea) I > know this is well known but I was not using it because my pH is so low > anyway, but it tends to make the water dark and makes many Apisto's > like Taenicara candidi much less shy. Give it a try good luck > > David Sanchez > > ---Thomas Soelter wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > > > last monday i've found 3 stray apistos, perhaps a new macmystery. The > > shop assistant couldn't tell what it is, where it comes from (surely a > > contaminant) nor how much it costs (funny eh). A day later after he's > > asked for a price and i've picked them up: 2 males 1 female (i hope > it's > > really a female - but there isn't a big difference) at a moderate > price > > (40 DM for those 3 fish). These guys are aprox. 40 - 45 mm. Males got > > lyra tail, short extensions on dorsal. > > > > Now i'm quite sure it's A.gibbiceps - maybe i'm able to photograph > them, > > scan it and put it on the net - i'd be interested in your opinion. > > Gibbiceps is a blackwater fish - right ? Are you able to tell about > > values of pH, hardness, electric condutivity, food requirements ? > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List > Archives"! > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------