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- From: "Francis Brian O'Carroll"
- Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 15:10:46 +0900
Hi Folks,
sorry, the 24 hour drop-out of messages was my fault.
Even I had trouble posting to the list. Still a few things
I don't understand.
Here are the apisto-specific missing messages.
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Reply-To: "Alysoun McLaughlin" <alysoun.mclaughlin@ncsl.org>
From: "Alysoun McLaughlin" <alysoun.mclaughlin@ncsl.org>
To: <apisto@majordomo.pobox.com>
Subject: Re: Norberti
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:14:36 -0400
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Julio,
Could this be the same black spots that were on the caudal fin of our
Panderini? (Who's got eggs right now, by the way.)
Alysoun McLaughlin
alysoun@planetall.com
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From: "Francis Brian O'Carroll"
Subject: Politics
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 22:39:04 +0900
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I feel that the current discussion of pet politics,
while a very important issue, is not sufficiently apisto-specific
and should be carried out in another forum, for example,
a newsgroup.
Frank O'Carroll
Apisto Admin
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From: "Alysoun McLaughlin" <alysoun.mclaughlin@ncsl.org>
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Subject: Fw: forward to apisto list
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I'm forwarding these messages from my husband (and all replies back to him,
as well as many other list messages) because we don't have e-mail at home
yet, and his office doesn't take kindly to listservs...
Strange, that. What kind of workplace *wouldn't* want you to spend your
whole day surfing the web and indulging in your personal hobbies?
Weird.
If you don't want to run your conversation through his wife, though, you can
still reply directly to him at ablumhag@rfek.com :)
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From: Andrew N. Blumhagen <ablumhag@rfek.com>
To: alysoun.mclaughlin@ncsl.org <alysoun.mclaughlin@ncsl.org>
Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 10:53 AM
Subject: forward to apisto list
>Subject: Pelvicachromis taeniatus "Wouri"
>
>This weekend I obtained a pair of P. taeniatus "Wouri". Does anyone have
>any experience keeping/breeding these fish? If so, any suggestions would
be
>welcome. I've bred P. pulcher and would presume that the care is similar
>but I want to make sure before I make any mistakes.
>
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Hi everyone;
George said:
>I have a pair of wild Norberti that are breeding right now. My male
>developed some back spots on his body, dorsal, caudal, anal and ventral
>fins.The spot only appeared a few weeks ago. . The male is around two
>inches. Is this a normal colour pattern for Norberti?
My Norberti males regularly develop a series of small black dots on
their bodies and finnage that are only visible in breeding coloration.
Whether this is a subtle part of the spawning coloration, or marks
indicating previous damage do to fights, disease, etc. I don't know.
For what its worth;
- - ---Kim Hay
in the Far North of Edmonton, where it is unseasonably hot!
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From: "Matthew Diller" <mdiller@MAIL.LAWNET.FORDHAM.EDU>
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Subject: Nannacara spawn in community tank
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Hi folks,=20
I am in need of a bit of advice. When I awoke on Saturday morning, =
it seemed evident that a pair of nannacara anomala that I keep in a =
community tank had spawned. The female is guarding a piece of drift wood =
and has black and yellow intense colors in a checkerboard pattern. I =
cannot see any eggs because a thicket of plants obstructs my view.
The fish are in a 29 gallon tank with a bunch of other fish. I also =
have 5 gallon tank, with some fish that I could switch to the main tank.
In the 29 gallon tank are also 1 big angel fish; 7 pristella =
tetras, 2 pencil fish, 2 rams (altispinosa), 1 rainbow fish and 4 =
ctenopoma ansorgii.
Will the fry stand any chance in the big tank?
Can I move the eggs and the mother into the little tank without =
destroying the bond? If I just move the eggs, I take it the pair is =
likely to spawn again soon, leaving me in the same situation.
How long do the eggs take to hatch (the temp. is 80 degrees F)? =
=20
I have some frozen Baby brine shrimp in the freezer, will this do =
for the fry?
Any thoughts?
Matt Diller
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From: jochem@fgbbs.iaf.nl (Jochem 't Hoen)
Date: 01 Jun 98 12:11:01 +0100
Subject: New fish fanatic
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said Sabrina to All:
S> work); 30 May 1998 16:27:27 -0000
S> From: Sabrina <sashwort@iupui.edu>
S> Hi everyone, I just joined this list because I recently
S> started up a tank of my own. I have had experience with fish
S> before, my family raised a tank with angelfish, swordtails
S> and several others. When we moved we were forced to donate
S> the angels to a friend with a bigger tank. They had lived
S> succesfully with us for four years. At this moment I have a
S> tank equipped with a power filter that contains one molly,
S> one platy, two neon tetras, and a very large apple snail.
S> My questions are, what else can I put in my tank, I'm
S> looking for something colorful and fairly nonagressive.
This list mainly deals with dwarfcichlids, which all show more or less
"agressive" behaviour. They are territorial and a lot of them need extra
care.
I don't know how big your tank is, but when you want to keep some of these
beautiful creatures you really need to adjust your tank at least a little.
Molly's and platy's origin from middle-american fish, and need a rather
high pH. Neons however come from South-America and need lightly acidic to
neutral water, and have to be kept in a school. 5-6 is the absolute
minimum number, I'd rather go for 10 or more.
It's hard to talk about dwarfcichlids in general, but I'll try to say
somethin about them. They all need tanks with lots of hideouts, made with
wood and some round riverrocks. Most of them breed in holes, but some
species lay their eggs on leaves of Echinodorus's for instance, or on
stones.
As waterconditions most of them need acidic water varying from pH 5-7, but
some species origining from areas near the Andes mountains are found in
more basic waters pH 7,6 - 8,4. Making the right tank for them will cost
you a little reading and learning about the fish you want to keep.
It's advisable to keep some other fish in the tank that territorial fish
can attack. Especially when they are mating that van be very important.
Most of them are best kept in a harem, 1 male with 2-3 females.
They need at least lots of frozen foods, but fresh live food serves way
better. Flake food can hardly ever been given. I wouldn't feed that more
then once a week.
As plants I certainly advice Echinodorus-species.
S> The Molly is my most aggresive fish, it attacks the heater,
S> filter, live plant(Elodeus Densa) and the snail.
The molly isn't attacking anything I think. Picking on objects is part of
it's natural behaviour. Most livebearers do that, when they are looking
for algaes to eat.
S> Also, what kinds of plants will my snail not eat? I feed it
S> cucumber, and it seems to enjoy taking fish flakes from my
S> hand! I enjoy my snail, it is very active, and besides looks
S> cool. I don't want to get rid of it, but it makes a mess a
S> destroys the plant.
It probably won't eat harder plants like Echinodorus or Anubias.
Vriendelijke groeten
Jochem 't Hoen
jochem@fgbbs.iaf.nl
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Subject: Re: Apistogramma tucurui
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Jan,
This is a translation from Ingo Koslowski's paper Ostamazonische Apistogramma -
Aquaristische Neuheiten und Neuigkeiten, D.A.T.Z., 1994, v. 47 (12): 781-786:
The Rio Tocantins, which enters the Rio Pará west of Belém and which in turn
empties into the Atlantic south of (the Isla de) Marajó was greatly altered in
the 80s by the construction of a gigantic dam impoundment near Tucuruí. East of
this large impoundment Arthur Werner in 1987 found on the road between Jacundá
Nova and the dam a new Apistogramma species that is the most sensationally
exciting newcomer in this genus. There, it inhabits almost exclusively streams
with sandy bottoms that are largely devoid of vegetation. We are dealing with a
member of the A. regani-group that deviates from other known Apistogramma species
in its highly unusual markings. In addition to large numbers of very small black
spots on the opercula, males have longitudinal stripes originating in the head
region that extend over the entire length and height of the body. They are
formed by dark pigmentation between the individual horizontal rows of scales.
Other Apistogramma species usually only have abdominal stripes below a broad
body-long band that runs through the middle of the flanks. The Tucuruí
Apistogramma, in contrast, has as many as seven in the head area and up to nine
longitudinal stripes along the flanks, even above the rarely visible lateral
band. These are usually black, becoming wine red in aggressively displaying
fish. The golden yellow head and ventral region, along with the bluish to
turquoise color on the posterior part of the body as well as the anal and dorsal
fin, make the Tucuruí Apistogramma one of the most beautifully colored species in
the genus. Even the females exhibit the species diagnostic longitudinal bands,
but not as prominent nor as intense as those seen on the males. The lateral band
is usually more prominent on them, and during the period of brood care dissolves
into a row of spots. The lateral band is much more broad than in many other
eastern Amazonian species of the A. regani-group and is reminiscent in appearance
to that of the widely distributed Apistogramma eunotus of Peru, for example. The
caudal fin of the Tucuruí Apistogramma has already been discussed more than once
in the hobby literature (DATZ-Redaktion 1988, Linke & Staeck, 1992, Schaefer,
1994)
Breeding the Tucuruí Apistogramma is successful in slightly acid (pH 6.5) and
moderately hard water (10ºdGH). This as yet scientifically undescribed species
exhibits an inordinately great intraspecific aggressiveness. In a one meter
aquarium you can keep a maximum of one male together with two females. Although
breeding the Tucuruí Apistogramma was consistently successful, and the fish had
been distributed fairly widely among Apistogramma breeders, the species
apparently is again missing from the hobby. This is very unfortunate since their
natural habitat, presently known only from the area on the eastern side of the
Tucuruí impoundment, has in all likelihood been greatly altered and the existence
of these fish is possibly threatened by dam construction on the Rio Tucuruí. The
last female known to me, which I had kept, was an exceptionally poor brooder who,
even though she would spawn frequently and the eggs developed well, would eat
most of the larvae the moment they hatched. An oddity worth mentioning was a
female Tucuruí Apistogramma that I kept in an aquarium with some A. geisleri.
She spawned with a male of this species. The female even succeeded in raising a
few juveniles in the not very heavily decorated tank. Some dropped due to
deformed scales and fins. Other grew to a size which in many Apistogramma would
be sexually mature. Astonishingly it was only males that reached this size and
then they exhibited none of the markings of the Tucuruí Apistogramma - like the
species diagnostic longitudinal stripes. They closely resembled their paternal
A. geisleri.
Jan Busser wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've written to you all that I was building a nursery for mainly apisto's
> and guess what: It's operational!!!
> So I bought some new species and found Apistogramma tucurui. The man I
> bought them from only had 4 of them (2 males and two females) an I bought
> them all.
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