>Ed, Pon wrote: > > In the past couple of weeks, leaf litter became a topic. There was > mention > of people using beech and oak leaves. Are there other types of trees > which have leaves and/or branches which can be safely used as > leaf litter for apistos? Did anybody do any experiments in this regard > that they wouldn't mind sharing? Hi Ed, I have used Coccoloba uvifera leaves with great success. The common name of this plant (tree) is the Sea Grape. The leaves are olive-green and very stiff. When they have been soaked in water for a while, they turn a rich brown colour and become water logged. Unfortunately, this plant is not common in homes as it is really a tree, however, it may be worth cultivating a small one, if you have the space. I have access to this plant at my work (Vancouver Aquarium) in the Amazon Gallery where we have four of the trees. They regularly have leaves falling off. I have had Satanoperca leucosticta and Microgeophagus ramirezi use them for spawning. Now that I have some Apistogramma (from a recent trip to Peru), I'll collect some again for them to use. Hope this helps. Lee ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!