> I have two pairs and that's for sure, I mean that I can see very well the > difference between a male and a female, so I will wait for two weeks then I > will make a 40% water change and see if this can induce a spawn, the water > temp is around 80-82. Mine have spawned BEFORE the water change. Wait a couple of weeks and if they don't spawn then do a water change. I also do a water change after they spawn but before the eggs hatch and the parents are moving them around. To me, this causes less trouble for the young fry. JM2CW Kaycy ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!