Thanks for all the info and pitfall warnings! I expected shipping to be about half of what Mike said - ack. I wrote back and asked for more info so we'll see. If he just happens to collect from the Upper Rio Negro ... One big newbie question I have is how the heck do you ID females from a large mix of apistos? -Doug Brown debrown@kodak.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!